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Bernie Sanders quickly condemned on Thursday a comment made one of his surrogates who referred to “corporate democratic whores” while warming up the crowd at a rally in New York City. Dr. Paul Song, a physician and health care activist, made the remark before Sanders spoke at the event that drew an estimated 27,000 supporters to Washington Square Park on Wednesday night.
Wednesday on “The Alan Colmes Show,” Alan spoke with former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner, who has been one of the most vocal members of the Bernie Sanders campaign. Turner, who was heading to the massive rally for Sen. Sanders being held in New York’s Washington Square Park a
I am going to cut to the chase, HillBilly lied. She is desperate to win and will do and/or say anything to win love and adoration from the state of New York. ANYTHING
Below is a chronological time line provided by The Washing Post which reflects HillBillys consistent inability to tell the truth.
“[Sanders] frequently says, ‘We’re a small, rural state, we have no gun laws.’ Here’s what I want you to know. Most of the guns that are used in crimes and violence and killings in New York come from out of state. And the state that has the highest per capita number of those guns that end up committing crimes in New York come from Vermont. So this is not, ‘Oh I live in a rural state we don’t have any of these problems.’ This is, you know what, it’s easy to cross borders. Criminals, domestic abusers, traffickers, people who are dangerously ill, they cross borders too. And sometimes they do it to get the guns they use.”
— Hillary Clinton, panel on gun violence, April 11, 2016
This Clinton campaign attack on Bernie Sanders’s gun record has been a week in the making.
Then, on April 5, her campaign manager Robby Mook made a similar but generalized point in a CNN interview: “I don’t think Senator Sanders has been sincere here in New York which is facing serious problems with guns being trafficked from Vermont and other states.” Mook listed Vermont as one of the states where guns tied to crime in New York originated, but did not directly blame Vermont.
FYI, I do not trust The Washington Post because of their undying love and fascination for all things HillBilly so I did some research to confirm their accuracy and much to my surprise they actually stuck to the truth but I would not count on it lasting too long.
Okay, now for the facts . . .
According to The Washington Post, The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) tracks the movement of guns tied to crime through a process called “tracing.” ATF tracks the point where the gun was manufactured or imported, to the point of its first retail purchaser.
Tracing allows law enforcement to see how far a gun was transported from its point of first retail sale. They can use tracing data to find licensed and unlicensed sellers who may be trafficking guns, and to find potential suspects and witnesses in criminal investigations. Tracing can indicate how serious the illegal gun problem is in a community, the ATF says.
Clinton’s campaign pointed to a New York Times analysis of nine years of gun tracing data. New York and New Jersey have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, but more than two-third of crime guns had come from out of state.
Law enforcement agencies tie the movement of guns into New York and New Jersey to the “Iron Pipeline,” which is Interstate 95 and connector highways. The idea is that guns are being trafficked from southern states with less restrictive gun laws, generally via cars, and then are used in crime in northern states that have stricter gun laws. (Related: We have fact-checked whetherstates with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest deaths, which found that despite Vermont’s relatively lax gun laws, it had the second lowest death rate from guns when suicides are excluded.)
There were 7,686 guns recovered and traced in New York in 2014, ATF data show. The source state was identified in 4,585 of the traces, and 30 percent (1,397) were from within the state.
In 2013 and 2014, the states where the most number of out-of-state crime guns originated were Virginia, Pennsylvania, Florida and Georgia. But 1 percent of crime guns whose sources were identified in 2014 originated from Vermont: 55 of 4,585.
Crime guns in New York from Vermont is a recent trend. From 2006 to 2012, Vermont was not listed as a top 15 state for crime guns in New York from Vermont, ATF data showed.
Source state Number of guns (2013) per 100,000 (2013) Number of guns (2014) per 100,000 (2014) New York 1499 7.61 1397 7.07 Virginia 423 5.11 395 4.74 Pennsylvania 342 2.68 371 2.90 Florida 337 1.72 292 1.47 Georgia 331 3.31 386 3.82 North Carolina 327 3.32 279 2.81 South Carolina 294 6.16 256 5.30 Ohio 161 1.39 152 1.31 Alabama 117 2.42 91 1.88 Texas 106 0.40 103 0.38 West Virginia 65 3.51 66 3.57 California 62 0.16 49 0.13 Vermont 61 9.73 55 8.78 Tennessee 57 0.88 57 0.87 Connecticut 48 1.33 59 1.64
The Clinton campaign said that controlling for population is a “critically important number, as it shows just how dangerous Vermont’s laws are relative to other states. If Vermont had the population of California, it would source roughly 3,800 crime guns each year to New York — far more than the top 15 total source states for New York crime guns combined.”
Clinton’s answer was in response to Sanders’s claim about Vermont being a small, rural state with no gun laws, the campaign said. The campaign said it chose to look at the per capita rate because it shows that despite the small population in Vermont, the pro-gun laws and the state’s background check system are “so bad that more guns per people living there are ending up in crime scenes in New York.”
We have often warned readers to look for percentage of the population, rather than the raw numbers, to spot criminal justice trends. But this is an area where experts say raw numbers matter.
Using the number of people in the source state is a problematic denominator, because gun trafficking deals with the behavior of gun dealers and the type and enforcement of state laws, according to criminal justice researchers we interviewed. Crime guns tend to originate from a small number of bad actors, and trace data are used to focus enforcement efforts to find those bad actors in a certain state. ATF calculates gun trafficking data by raw figures, not per capita.
“It doesn’t matter how many people live there. The issue is, how many gun dealers are there that are contributing to violence in New York,” said John Roman, senior fellow in the Justice Policy Center at the Urban Institute. Roman, who has worked with New York officials over gun violence and gun laws, said concerns over guns trafficked from Vermont were not brought up in those discussions over many years.
“I literally have never heard of Vermont coming up in this conversation. Literally never,” Roman said. “These conversations are always about law enforcement in places like New York being worried about Southern states with easy access to weaponry.”
Candace McCoy, professor at City University of New York’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said per capita calculations are used to determine how likely a person in the population is to be threatened by a particular risk, such as the likelihood of a person being a victim of a violent crime.
“Here, the question is: if we want to cut off the supply line of guns into New York, what supply line is largest? That would not be Vermont,” McCoy said. For gun trafficking, it is “Iron Pipeline from the Southern states, garden hose from Vermont. It would be great to cut off both of them, but given the choice I would go with the pipeline.”
The campaign pointed to reports of gun trafficking problems in Vermont. Vermont Public Radio interviewed the ATF agent in charge of Vermont, and reported the state is “a fertile market, but it’s also an easy place to pick up a weapon. … The guns are frequently traded directly for drugs, court records show, and often end up in metropolitan areas like Springfield, Mass., Boston, or New York City.” Other news coverage and reports by gun-control groupscited per capita rates, and noted other issues with crime that contribute to the flow of guns out of the state. For one, the heroin epidemic in Vermont has contributed to gun trafficking, according to In These Times.
We don’t dispute that there are guns tied to crime in New York that originated from Vermont. Every state had at least some dozen traced guns originating from it in 2014. But it’s important to keep these numbers in context.
In 2014, guns from 10 states comprised 56 percent of all traced guns, ATF data show. The top 10 source states, in order from highest to lowest, were: California, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Arizona and Indiana.
Vermont ranked 49th behind Hawaii in raw figures among all source states in 2014, ATF data show. As a percentage of population, Vermont ranked 40th among all source states, at 31 guns per 100,000 people.
The Pinocchio Test
Vermont does provide the highest per capita number of guns tied to crimes in New York. This point resonated with audience members, who gasped when she told them this factoid. But as much as the Clinton campaign may want to blame Sanders or his home state for the guns in New York, this is a misleading data point.
The per capita calculation is skewed by Vermont’s small population (55 guns out of 626,562 people, or 8.78 guns per 100,000 people). When it comes to gun trafficking between states, the raw numbers indicate the actual volume of guns flowing out of a state, and the prevalence of dealers who may be selling guns that are tied to crime. If you take out the 55 Vermont-originated guns from all crime guns that came from outside of New York, the number of crime guns in 2014 would decrease to 2,556 from 2,611. That’s how much impact the flow of crime guns from Vermont has on the volume of crime guns in New York.
The number of crime guns in New York from Vermont is so small that it could even be attributed to one or two bad actors. Using the per capita measure of trafficked guns originating from Vermont is as pointless as counting guns trafficked per 100,000 head of cattle.
We wavered between Two and Three Pinocchios. Clinton has carefully crafted her talking point to find the particular government data that support her point, which gives a wildly different view than how trafficking flows are tracked. We do not find the per capita measure as a fair assessment of gun flows from Vermont into New York. The difference between this point using per capita calculation and the raw number (1 percent of crime guns with source states identified in 2014 came from Vermont) is so stark that it creates a significantly misleading impression to the public. Those factors tip to Three Pinocchios.
Hillary Clinton’s claim that the ‘highest per capita number’ of crime guns in New York come from Vermont
“[Sanders] frequently says, ‘We’re a small, rural state, we have no gun laws.’ Here’s what I want you to know. Most of the guns that are used in crimes and violence and killings in New York come from out of state.
First you have the audacity to complain about the “tone” of Bernie’s campaign only to turn around and totally loose it when confronted by Greenpeace with actual facts. Now you are complaining because the three dates you suggested for the proposed New York Debate includes the evening of a NCAA championship game when Syracuse, which in case you forgot, is a New York team.
Get. Over. Yourself.
It is not Bernie’s fault you assumed the nomination was yours and because of your arrogance planned accordingly. It is that very thing, arrogance and a few doses of dishonesty that caused your ship to sink in the past. I also find it somewhat amusing that you fully expected him to drop out when you did the very thing he is doing during the 2008 campaign which is stay in it to win it until June.
The people of New York and America deserve to see and hear a debate on the important issues facing the state and country.
The Bernie Sanders Media Syndrome (“BSMS”) is a rather serious disease and sometimes impossible to cure. There are times it goes into remission, you know like this Saturday when channels like CNN and MSNBC became nothing but Bernie channels but don’t count on it lasting too long because the Hillary Clinton virus (“HRCV”) which is the virus that controls the syndrome just won’t seem to go away.
Symptoms of HRCV
- An inexplicable fascination with all things Hillary.
- In inability to accept the fact that Bernie decimated Hillary on battleground states polling involving Donald Trump.
- Thinking that because Hillary actually had 5,500 and some change supporters (her largest crowd to date) attend one of her, um, rallies that people actually like her..like really like her.
- You still believe that Bill Clinton was the first black president and that he was telling the truth when he said he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
- You think the fact that over 50% of Americans dislike her is part of a Berniebro conspiracy theory.
- Delusions of grandeur.
- You think that Bernie is a Communist plotting with President Obama and Raul Castro to make the US and Cuba one nation under a groove.
- The voices in your head are telling you to trust her.
- You think that if you ignore Bernie he will go away.
- You actually think that even if this revolution isn’t televised his supporters with go “pouf” and disappear.
All kidding aside, we have every reason in the world to dislike Hillary and the media which is obsessed with her. Below is a HuffPost Politics article written by Seth Abramson which explains in detail why we do.
UPDATE – MSNBC and CNN returned to regular programming at 7pm.
I got nothing.
If you think that supporters of Bernie Sanders are first and foremost angry about matters of policy — for instance, the way our broken campaign finance laws, market regulations, and trade policies are destroying the hopes and ambitions of most of America — you’re absolutely right. But that’s the long view.
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Bernie Sanders Bernie Sanders Ex-DNC official cuts emotional ad for Sanders Poll: 66 percent think presidential election process is broken Warren: ‘I’m still cheering Bernie on’ MORE , taped an emotional ad for the presidential hopeful in which she talked about her military service.
I usually leave politicians children alone but since Ms. Thang is now a grown ass woman spreading lies for her Mother she is now fair game. I call it the apple -tree effect and Ms. Thang clearly hit every branch on her way down.
According to the Daily Mail and a video uploaded on YOUTUBE, Mr. Thang describes in detail how Hillbilly plans to offset the high out of pocket cost by either a tax credit or by executive action. I am pretty sure this is the same Obamacare she repeatedly named dropped along with President Obama’s name during debates but I don’t remember her saying anything else about it other than she was the one that originally came up with the plan in 1993.
She also stated that Bernie is going to dismantle Obamacare.
During Chelsea Clinton’s first solo swing through New Hampshire in January, she warned a crowd gathered in Manchester that Sanders planned to ‘dismantle’ Obamacare.
Sanders had been pitching to his own supporters a Medicare-for-all program through the government as opposed to the private health insurance network of exchanges that Americans currently use.
Hillary Clinton has labeled a plan like Sanders’ unrealistic and instead suggested that she would make improvements on Obamacare’s back.
‘If it’s Medicare-for-all, then you no longer have the Affordable Care Act,’ Hillary Clinton said at a debate last month.
‘We both share the goal of universal healthcare,’ Clinton said of she and her rival Sanders.
But she wanted to ‘build on the healthcare system we have,’ Clinton said.
‘I far prefer that than trying to start all over again,’ she concluded.
Clinton, like her daughter, has had to publicly acknowledge some of the shortcomings of the law.
For example, earlier this month she encountered a woman at CNN’s Ohio town hall.
The woman told the candidate that her health care costs had jumped from $490 to $1,090, the Weekly Standard reported.
Clinton could only recommend that the voter do some comparison shopping.
‘One thing that I would like you to do—and I’m not saying it’s going to making a difference, but I would like for you to go shopping on that exchange,’ Clinton said.
‘And to go on and keep looking to see what the prices are, because we have to get more competition back into the insurance market,’ the Democratic front runner advised.
Also included in the article is a video of Bernie and HillBilly during a debate in which Bernie said that he is not going to dismantle Obamacare.
Chelsea Clinton was caught on camera frankly talking about Obamacare, suggesting that the cost was out of reach for some Americans The former first daughter said she thought her mother might use executive action to cap the costs The young Clinton turned campaign attack dog over the issue of Obamacare, smacking Bernie Sanders for trying to ‘dismantle’ the program Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton applied a surprising frankness to a conversation revolving around Obamacare, a video released to the Weekly Standard shows.
According to The Hill, the Sanders campaign kept the lawsuit against the DNC alive with a new court filing today.
Bernie Sanders‘s presidential campaign has officially served the Democratic National Committee (DNC) with its lawsuit over access to party voter files, it said Thursday in a court filing.U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan had given the campaign a Thursday deadline to serve the DNC with the suit or risk having it dropped from federal court.In the new filing, the campaign said the two sides “continue to engage in cooperative discussions in their efforts to resolve the pending litigation” and will keep the court updated on those discussions.A source close to the Sanders campaign framed the latest development as a way to keep the door open for a lawsuit as the two parties wait for the results of an independent audit.But the source believes the issue ultimately will be “resolved amicably.”“We’re dealing with the DNC on an issue where we felt that they did not deal straight with us from the beginning, so the reason to keep this in place was to make sure Sen. Sanders is treated fairly in this process,” the source told The Hill.“This filing is very procedural. We went through with it because the report is not yet complete.”DNC spokesperson Mark Paustenbach echoed that optimism in a brief statement to The Hill.“We continue to have productive discussions with the Sanders campaign and look forward to resolving this matter,” he said.Sanders sued the DNC in December after the party briefly shut off his campaign’s access to shared voter data. The committee was responding to the discovery that a Sanders aide had accessed separate data owned by rival Hillary Clinton‘s campaign.The since-fired Sanders aide said he was only trying to document a system error so it could be fixed, and the Sanders campaign has argued that even the brief interruption represented a serious blow.The party agreed to restore access shortly after Sanders filed the lawsuit. But the campaign has not closed the door on the suit, which seeks $75,000 for breach of contract.The dispute has highlighted tensions between the Sanders campaign and the DNC.When access to the access to the data was initially shut off, the campaign denounced it as an overreaction and suggested the campaign was aiding Clinton’s campaign.The Clinton campaign, in turn, attacked Sanders for what it called an “egregious” use of the DNC database.“This was not an inadvertent glimpse into our data, not a mistake,” Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook said. “They made 25 intentional and targeted searches of our data.”Sanders is trailing Clinton in the race for the Democratic nomination, but hopes to make up ground this weekend in the contests being held in Washington state, Hawaii and Alaska.– Updated at 7:02 p.m.
Sanders campaign keeps lawsuit against DNC alive
If you know any newly registered voters located in New York City, please share the following information provided by the gothimist.
You have recently received an Approval Notice. The date on the notice for the Primary Election was incorrect. The correct date is September 13, 2016. Polls will be open from 6 AM to 9PM. We apologize for any inconvenience.
There is a primary election on September 13th, but it is a state and local election, and the primary on everyone’s mind at the moment, the presidential one, is still on April 19th. The mailer makes no mention of which primary it is referring to.
Three people whom we spoke to were also alarmed by the fact that the mailers were near their mailboxes, but not in them.
The front of the postcard Some 60,000 newly registered voters in New York City recently received notices misleadingly stating that the primary election is in September. The mailers read: You have recently received an Approval Notice. The date on the notice for the Primary Election was incorrect.